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Think that had an affect on people out of proportion and even long after the reality had altered. and i think trump, for instance, is able to profit from people's long-term memories and also the profit from the reality that's very hard to report good news, a mugging on a street corner is something that makes the late news, no muggings on that street corner for years is not something that we report. normalcy is very hard to dramatize. >> the hero of the story is patrick sharky that runs the crime lab of new york, and he said that in the 1990s, americans came together, normalized, saw violence a...

Trap, the mass incarceration trap. why would you be opposed from it? >> i'm obviously not opposed to getting an education or staying out of jail. i don't think black people in particular are in need of extra urging for that. this notion that african-american who is played by the rules somehow end up in a a space of equality with white family who is do the same. i just have to challenge that. we have great recent studies. patrick sharky at nyu showed that african-american families that make $100,000 a year, that's doing pretty well in america, tend to live in the same neighborhoods as white fam...