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Race and bussing issues. i think it would be concerned if i was on his team that he just didn't seem ready to respond to that. i find it hard to believe that his team didn't prepare him for it and i think that he can't be caught flat footed that way in the future. >> david, paul was referencing biden's traditional support among black voters, 36% i think to kamala harris' 24% should -- i mean, that's not something that he can take for granted. >> oh, no, not at all. and that -- listen, what we saw remember back in 2007, 2008, a lot of black voters early on parked with hillary clinton didn't mov...

President and has a reservoir of goodwill with the african american community inside the democratic party, anderson, but if this notion that he's the one that could beat trump starts getting chipped away and if kamala harris specifically continues to rise here and she can show african american voters she's winning overall kinds of support, that could be very, very dangerous situation for biden's candidacy. >> paul, the ability to beat president trump, is that your number one issue? most democrats think biden is the person to do that, still. >> that's number one. number 111 -- 11. that's the on...

I guess i'm probably more aligned to the left side in terms of the policy issues, maybe not as in touch with america as paul is, i guess. but i think that the interesting thing about this to me in terms of looking at this poll is that the democrats are sort of struggling with the idea of what makes somebody the best person to beat trump, and i think that the conventional wisdom kind of was it's a white guy. it's a joe biden kind of white guy who can connect with people in pennsylvania, and i think they are starting to rethink that. >> interesting. david, kirsten, paul, thank you, good discussi...

Them on every issue. the voters in my party are screaming at their candidates, be practical, prague mat timati practical. so many of them are chasing a purity, some extreme position they don't need to do. the voters, democrats are telling them pay attention to us and show us how to beat trump with a more, i think, moderate increakre increate mental change, they seem to be chasing over educated, over caffeinated, over opinion ated liberals on twitter. i'm one of them. they are saying be more pack k practic practical. >> kirsten, do you agree with paul? >> i don't know, i think there are some re...

Gaining. it's a tremendous concern. he does have bull work with african american voters. he has to earn that. he's got to fight hard for those voters and i think his hold on them could be tenuous. democrats don't like a front runner. ask my friend hillary clinton. they like to take out the front runner and they have a lot of options this time. this is a snapshot as he says. he's right. the snapshot is one guy going down and two women going up. i think it will continue. >> paul references, you know, hillary clinton. any time there is an error of n inevitability, that can be dangerous if himself...