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"vanity fair" puts it, they did not come to play around, they mean business. >> well, i think that's true. i remember when i came into congress i had never healed elective office before. so i think that's a position many of these new members are coming in or they haven't held you know really high elective offices, so they will challenge this. on the paygo rules, progressives in corning have long disapproved paygo because it's had detrimental effects on social programs and spending for services and things that would help people so that is actually not a new fight. i suspect the rules package is...

Jobs bill 2, republicans called son of stimulus. within this $15 billion jobs bill, there's a lot of funding for highway -- the nation's highways. there's tax credits for small businesses that buy new machinery or hire new workers. things that while they definitely would help the unemployment rate do not necessarily directly impact some of the impoverished communities that congressional black caucus members represent. on the other ideological side of the democratic party that had a problem with this bill, tamron, were the blue dogs upset it was not going to be paid for under the new paygo rule...

If sno bunning is truly concerned about the senate paying for things that they passed, if he's really standing on a principle that's actually his principle here you would think he would have voted for the senate adopting paygo rules. pay as you go rules, that state everything has to be paid for. but alas mr. bunning voted no on that, too. this was not a matter of principle here. but if it was it's brand new principle he never met before this week. the supposed principle of if jim bunning's that you have to pay for everything that you vote for is not something that governed his behavior in the ...

Yesterday, joe, which is that they're going to sit back and pick apart the president's budget because it's politically advantageous to do. they don't want to get out there and offer anything concrete of their own because then they'll be attacked for it as well. you know, again, the president's boxed in on this one because politically he's being attacked from both sides of the aisle. and he's trying to get deficits under control while still stimulating job growth which is sort of a counterintuitive task. >> it is counterintuitive. and it is going to be very difficult for him. and i wonder, meli...