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We were being humiliated by the rests of the world. on the other hand i do worry what's the expression? if you wrestle with a big, you get dirty and the pig likes it. you can imagine it's getting under trump's skin, at the very least. >> he couldn't get under his skin anymore effectively than if he used a skalple. nobody wants to be his friend and not only during the campaign but throughout his life has talked about how all previous presidents were with humiliated. elwith, now he may best be known in this moments as the object of ridicule. i'm pretty sure that's what justin trudeau is thinking...

Personality threats or much less distortion. senator booker is on the senate judiciary and foreign relations committees. he joins us now. i hope you had a good thanksgiving. >> i did. i hope you did as well. >> as you've heard me before, you will wind up being the court of first impression for this. you will be a and how you're seeing it dpeended, what are your thoughts? >> el with, in general you still just have to take it on a very objective standpoint. you have a president of the united states who by his observe admission has been courting interference in the election in the united states. ...

Meetings that were had, what stands out to you that was new in the state of play? >> el with, chris, i think it's helpful to eroo mind ourselves that the standard for opening an fbi counterintelligence case is when you have information, credible facts that indicate a threat to national security might exist. when you think about that standard and you look at the facts, the few facts that we know and, mind you, the southern district i'm sure has many more facts than we do but you see mr. giuliani reportedly repeatedly lobbying the president and others in the administration to return -- ghoulan i...

Flourishes it featured. it was not total fully written by lawyers. now he will walk back what he said about whether or not there was a quid pro quo when he testifies on capitol hill this week. the president appearing over the phone on fox talking about the situation surrounding his personal attorney rudy giuliani. >> i just don't know if there is an investigation. i just heard it. . >> el with, the "new york times" is reporting -- >> i find a lot of things that you hear, they should look at other people. they should be looking at really bad people doing really bad things to our country. so, no...

Expe expert. it's really good and i would say that even if i were not conflicted. so as someone who worked at southern district i was just so fascinated pie the timing of all this and what it means. what is your reaction to this big berest being announced right at this moment and its proximity to rudy giuliani? >> elwith, first of all it sounds from its reporting they're investigating people and they have alerts that can come up when someone's peaing a one way ticket out of town. so it sounds like it timing was dictated by that. but this is not an indictment they threw together overnight. firs...