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Anything. you can be more susceptible to these diseases and die from them. >> does the pendulum swing back. in the early part, you can do it cost free because of hurt immunity. you might know someone who has whooping cough. do people in the face of this absence when kids are getting sick and you think i'm now confronted with the consequences of this decision, it will be interesting to see if we see the p pendulum swing back. >> there's also a question to what degree are people confronted and what degree do they connect to the lack of vaccination. this is why a lot of states and schools have ma...

>> so christiane, what's your take on how this is playing out on the international stage? >> first, about the hammer and nail, president obama has showed himself throughout his presidency to be the president to end these wars. as we discussed before, there's this pendulum swing in american foreign policy. the eight years of the bush administration, which was overintervention, which had the disastrous war in iraq, and that hangover is incredibly painful to this day. so the pendulum has swung all the way to the other side where there's, as jim said, caution can be muscular. i hope that doesn't c...

Create an incentive for a lot of donors who reached those limits to again go to outside groups and those groups became more powerful. what we saw today with this ruling was the pendulum swing back more towards the party committees, not only the federal parties but state parties as well as individual campaigns, federal candidate campaigns. it swung enough. i think the outside groups are still going to remain relevant, but donors aren't going to have to rely on them as much. >> if you're a really rich person, maria, and you love the democratic party and i know you love the democratic party, you ...

Question to you. where is the conversation amongst republicans to reform these programs for the better rather than just slashing them and getting rid of them? >> i think you've seen a pendulum swing basically. you had an era under president george w. bush where there was a lot of talk about compassionate conservatism and doing exactly that, thinking about reforms that focused on poverty and so on. the bush presidency ended, i think we can all agree, fairly badly. some of the things that the bush presidency tried to do with home mortgages ended up blowing up in their faces and -- >> the educati...

Policy? >> i think it's not about alcohol policy, only because in a lot of these cases, it's not the alcohol, it's what they're adding to it. it's someone putting their drink somewhere and someone else putting something else in it. there's only one reason to do that -- >> but i'm thinking, if i can do legally drink in the bar in my town, right, i'm not in a party situation where i've got my red plastic cup, where the -- >> i mean, if you look at other countries, they don't have the extreme pendulum swing, the drinking culture that we do, where they absolutely prohibit younger people from drink...