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His lawyer, cohen. michelle kaczynski of cnn reported on the plane he was talking to white house aides, he was in a terrible mood, he was spooked and distracted. that i think drove the decision. it's also true, i think, that they saw this be a pr disaster to be meeting with putin at the very time his relationships with russia are in question. he's much better off to keep his distance. >> particularly with this story of a $50 million penthouse offer. the visual of him -- >> just $50 million? >> max, you know, it's not just a meeting with putin. basically, a number of the president's meetings ha...

Joining me is david gergen and "the washington post" columnist and cnn analyst max boot, author of the new book "the corrosion of conservatism, why i left the right." do you buy the explanation about the ukrainian sailors? >> the ukraine cran sailors story has been out there for a few days and he decided he was going to go. it's clearly what happened on the plane after he heard about cohen. michelle kaczynski reported on the plane he was talking to white house aides, in a terrible mood, he was spooked and completely distracted. that i think drove the decision. it's also true i think that they ...

Interested in what we're doing here today. >> when you listen to that from 2013 coupled with your reporting about the penthouse offer, what's your first thought? >> first thought is what trump had been saying in previously did not line up with the denials that he and michael cohen and the trump organization had issued on the campaign trail. >> let's talk about this $50 million offer. how serious was it? >> felix sater describes this as a marketing ploy. a plan in which to try and win support and the funding to get trump tower moscow built. michael cohen took it seriously and through our report...

Making statements about them and the american voters just did not know about it. >> we should know julian assange denies that guardian report and it was felix sater, the one who said they offered this or sweetened the deal, the trump tower in moscow. we have not heard that confirmed from anyone in the trump camp. michael cohen is seen as an existential threat to president trump. he wasn't someone who was just with him on the campaign trail. this is a guy who knows the ins and outs of trump's operations for over a decade. how do you see it? >> i think it's not a good thing for donald trump to h...