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Need a board of 15 people telling us what kind of treatment we should have, we instead need to have insurance plans, providers, hospital, doctors, on target, such that they have an incentive, as you say, performance pay, for doing an excellent job for keep being costs down. that's happening. inner mountain, mayo clinic is doing it. cleveland clinic, others. but the right answer is not to have the federal government take over health care and start mandating to the providers across america, telling a patient and a doctor what kind of treatment they can have. that's the wrong way to go. the priva...

Find way toss do things better are able to be more effective in bringing down the cost than the government ever will be. your example of the cleveland clinic is my case in point, along with several others i could describe. this is the private market. these are small -- these are enterprises competing with each other, learning how to do better and better jobs. i used to consult to businesses -- excuse me, to hospitals and to health care providers. i was astonished at the creativity and the innovation that exists in the american people. in order to bring the cost of health care down, we don't ne...

Need a board of 15 people telling us what kind of treatment we should have, we instead need to have insurance plans, providers, hospital, doctors, on target, such that they have an incentive, as you say, performance pay, for doing an excellent job for keep being costs down. that's happening. inner mountain, mayo clinic is doing it. cleveland clinic, others. but the right answer is not to have the federal government take over health care and start mandating to the providers across america, telling a patient and a doctor what kind of treatment they can have. that's the wrong way to go. the priva...

So we have a rule that says you can't pay more than $1 million, except if you do it through some kind ofç performance pay, and that's what led to this stock options boom. which is itself a massive gimmick, and it's been the way that the ceos have been paying themselves because they appoint the committees that grant them the compensation $10 million, $20 million, $30 million a year often, again, unlike any other part of the world. and what the story today in the "new york times" is saying is that the tax code is essentially underwriting this because it lets the companies deduct fully, not jus...

You know, just vitriolic reaction but it's not surprising. i was in the wisconsin capital during all of this about a year ago and there were actual lists of companies to boycott because they supposedly were -- excuse me, supporting scott walker. and so this has been going on in wisconsin for a very long time. >> but the interesting thing is if you listen to her, what she agrees with the governor about as a teacher is just that she should be judged on her merits. all she's saying is what the majority of the american public would agree with which is if you're a good teacher, you get this. if you...