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Extent will he push back? gary cohn was really aggressive, pushed hard to lighten up some of those tariffs, got carve outs. will he go in there and say we can't pull out of inform nafta so many tariffs on china that they strike back. that whole agenda. the open ended question is, will he do that or tell trump what he wants to hear? >> larry kudlow loves to talk and debate. he has had a tv show, radio show. how will he fit in with wilbur ross, lightheiser who take a more hardline tact when it comes to economic he shalls? >> you're underestimating secretary ross. he fits that personality descrip...

To push people away from him. but i don't think those people were already particularly attracted to him. >> i also think it's interesting, increasingly, how he deals with ben carson who is in temperament literally the on it. >> yes. >> if you were to take, spin around a donald trump personality description and come up with ben carson. and it'll be interesting to see how that plays out. >> i loved him passing all sorts of recommendations on his performance as a doctor. that was rich. >> thank you very much. still to come, he's surging the polls, and i will be joined by the man himself. bernie...

>> as you well know, i was on "the apprentice." and to have some black women on the apprentice after all the racist comments he made about black people and latinos come to me and e-mail me about supporting him, it kind of gives me pause. so i think that people should not discount some of the support he has. and it has hardened. and there are a number of reasons for that. we don't have enough time to get into them. but i think when it comes to carly, i think she has an advantage because she's a woman, and i think that's going to continue to chip away at his -- i think it's going to continue to ...

People. >> it's not as small as we think it is. >> that's a fact. >> as you well know, i was on "the apprentice." and to have some black women on the apprentice after all the racist comments he made about black people and latinos come to me and e-mail me about supporting him, it kind of gives me pause. so i think that people should not discount some of the support he has. and it has hardened. and there are a number of reasons for that. we don't have enough time to get into them. but i think when it comes to carly, i think she has an advantage because she's a woman, and i think that's going to ...