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And planned this. in a way like general mccaffrey was talking about before, take small bites in chunks, trying to work on the french and germans to come to their side. which not do anything, and incrementally take all of ukraine overtime. i think that is really where it is going to get troublesome here in the next couple of weeks. the biden ministration will have to decide how far wants to go. >> so malcolm, since you have been traveling around the country. what is your sense around with that approach will look like. you gave us that sort of vivid destruction of what it would look like in kyiv...

The biden administration will have to decide how far it wants to go. >> so malcolm, since you have been traveling around the country. what is your sense around with that approach will look like. you gave us that sort of vivid destruction of what it would look like in kyiv. and what are your thoughts about that approach and how it would play out? >> the russians are going to carry out a military operation with various phase lands, they think that they can control once they start the operation. kyiv itself is its own entire phase. you have to get the study of how they're going to get down to the...