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>> then, you said at some point, there was a telephone conversation between the president and the vice president? is that correct? >> yes. >> when i entered the office, the second time, he was on the phone with who i later found out to be the vice president. >> did you hear the vice president, or only hear the president's end? >> only hear the president's end. it was a calmer tone and then became heated. >> the conversation was pretty heated. >> did you hear any part of the phone call? like the end of the president. >> as i was drops off the note, i remember hearing the word wimp. e ...

Like that, yeah. being not tough enough to make the call. >> the wording is wrong. i made the wrong decision four or five years ago. >> the word that the president called the vice president, i apologize for being impolite. do you remember what her father called him? >> the "p" word. >> there's ground to cover on today's hearing. i want to turn right away from gl gloria borger, and phil up mid, and also with us, scott jennings. good to see all of you. gloria, you first. that heated phone call between donald trump and mike pence on january 6th. we've seen the photos. the idea that trump was bull...

>> is it? >> it's a heartbreaking photo to see. >> i think that's charlotte. >> thank you all. scott, you see, i don't just fight with you. i fight with phil, as well. >> don't ever fight with me again. >> you andry in harmony. >> i appreciate it. see you soon. the committee laying out trump's pressure campaign to get pence to overturn the election. but is any of it criminal? that's next.

Covered his ears and closed his mind. i want to hear what i do want to hear from rudy and sidney powell and the pillow guy. that's the argument you will hear from prosecutors. the other argument, at a certain point, when all of the recounts have been conducted, all of the states have certified, it doesn't matter if you think you win. you can't try to disrupt congress from counting the votes on january 6th. i think those are the fallback arguments. not just fallback, but legitimate arguments that a prosecutor would make. >> the whole thing i was talking about with phil, i was doing it tongue in...

For congress to reform the electoral count act and make clear that the vice president's role in all this is ceremonial. people were trying to fool around with this law. it could be updated. there's a group working on it in the senate. pass the reforms and take this off the table. you know, it's inconceivable in a someone this looney toons got this close to the president of the united states. >> phil, what scott said. olivia, you know marc short. you know greg jacob. you work for the vice president. all these people knew the scheme was happening and that it was illegal. why didn't they speak up...