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immediately themselves lisa rubin is here to make sense of the law and both new york magazine and uc law professor mary ziegler are here to discuss the consequences for health care and politics let's get right to the reporting and the law, and joining us now are msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin as promised and uc davis law school professor, an expert on the law, will join us in a moment let's talk, lisa, about what the law currently says and what that might mean for how the justices decide on this >> katy, today is anyone's guess. i wish i had a magic 8 ball. right now as it stands, t...

the need for proof of any actual election fraud listen. >> it can't just be, you know, somebody tweeted this. it's got to be demonstrable facts that can be laid out with evidence because that's what a court of law is going to look to, not just an allegation, but actual facts and so i feel i'm hopeful -- you know, i'm hoping rudy comes on the show tomorrow and he has some of those facts and i hope the legal team continues to lay out the specific evidence because that's what it's going to take to prevail in court. >> they were all pinning all of their hopes on rudy and sidney powell ex...