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The ground. this is the isis stronghold and isis knows it. perhaps they're not terribly afraid to show their faces. it's going to be very tough to get him back with any kind of brute force. there's always the option of trying to send in a rescue force. but in the middle of isis-held territory that might be a very tough proposition. >> bob, jump in there. it is hard enough to get the civilian hostages back. many of them presumably being held in and around the stronghold of raqqa. is there a difference when the hostage is a soldier and then, while we're talking about that, not an american soldie...

Of the most classified operations there are out there. if you're trying to get a pilot back, the last thing you do is talk about it. so i think the news media would not know. but i think it's a very safe bet, all the options to try and get this man back certainly are being looked at. >> colonel francona, will this make any difference in terms of galvanizing positions of countries who may be on the fence about whether to be a part of this coalition or not when they see someone from jordan, a predominantly muslim state, being held hostage like that and paraded around for the world to see? does t...

Their release yesterday. that they increased the cockpit security measures. the measures they put in place including having the flight attendant go in the cockpit, that's been the rule in the united states. also practicality. if there's only one pilot in the cockpit and he or she passes out or dies, that's happened, then the flight attendant can let the other pilot back in the cockpit. we've had those rules for a long time. it's pretty common sense. >> if they haven't had those rules, i really commend them for continuing to make changes. a lot of times in these investigations, they will sit an...

Fortunate to get the pilot back. but, just because you don't have boots on the ground you can end up with boots on the ground, whether you intended to or not. >> now, switching topics, the nra's annual convention is going on right now in your home state. a recent survey out of rice university found that 90% of people polled in texas support universal background checks for gun buyers it shows and nationwide as many as 90% of americans and 74% of nra members support background checks. so why are you opposed to this, if it seems that the public tide is in favor of it? >> well, you know, you just ...

As a weapon. megyn: jon, you of course are a pilot yourself. you know, as a nonaviation expert, i'll tell you that it just looked a bit suspicious to have a plane hit the side of a building, the second floor, one's layman opinion would be if a plane were in trouble it would try to find a place other than a crowded office building or street to try to land it but that's complete speculation. as a pilot looking at this scene, does it raise any red flags for you? >> you know, again, this kind of thing has happened before, we saw cory lytle, his plane hit a building in a complete accident several y...