the ground. this is the isis stronghold and isis knows it. perhaps they're not terribly afraid to show their faces. it's going to be very tough to get him back with any kind of brute force. there's always the option of trying to send in a rescue force. but in the middle of isis-held territory that might be a very tough proposition. >> bob, jump in there. it is hard enough to get the civilian hostages back. many of them presumably being held in and around the stronghold of raqqa. is there a difference when the hostage is a soldier and then, while we're talking about that, not an american soldier? >> no, there's going to be no difference. jordan is our ally in this. we'll do everything we can to get that pilot back. the problem is, the longer it goes on, the more likely it is that the islamic state has moved him someplace secure. without radios, it's difficult to see from overhead, in a