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This is hurting him because there are democrats out there who if they worry that elizabeth warren is unelectable, they worry biden may be too because of this. paul: you wrote a column this week, saying joe biden is not going to make it. explain. >> i watched him carefully in the debate. i concluded that he just isn't up to it somehow to compete at a major league level. his performance this week was nowhere near the performance he showed in 2012 when he was debating paul ryan, the vice president. >> al: al candidate. people thought biden won that. that guy was not the strong candidate that was ...

Expiration of the bush tax cuts on january 1st, i think that's what the public is looking for. >> paul: you're saying only policy changes not symbolism, not saying we are he' pro business or studies saying we've created a new-- they're actually, to be credible, they're going to have to change course. >> but the thing is paul. >> yes. >> as we were saying, the stimulus, 862 billion, roughly a trillion, is no plan b. >> paul: i would disagree, i think the policy you're seeing, that's true. that was their fiscal policy, but the broader economic policy is everything sinls, the financial regulation...

Expiration of the bush tax cuts on january 1st, i think that's what the public is looking for. >> paul: you're saying only policy changes not symbolism, not saying we are he' pro business or studies saying we've created a new-- they're actually, to be credible, they're going to have to change course. >> but the thing is paul. >> yes. >> as we were saying, the stimulus, 862 billion, roughly a trillion, is no plan b. >> paul: i would disagree, i think the policy you're seeing, that's true. that was their fiscal policy, but the broader economic policy is everything sinls, the financial regulation...