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Our enemies are laughing and our friends are trembling, this is not a good place to be.

That if that trip gets cancelled, it will look like they backed us in to a corner and you and the pentagon put -- tamped it down and said don't go. >> this is a very important relationship. one of the most consequential in the world, martha. there's a lot inside that relationship. things that we agree on, things that we know we can work on like climate change, like terrorism and things where we don't see eye to eye, whether it's unfair trade practices, economic competition, certainly their aggressive behavior in the indopacific as secretary austin alluded to. that's why it's important to have ...

You have the secretary of defense speaking about it. so clearly it has risen to the level. you have china saying they don't want her to come. so i'm asking, do we look at taiwan and say taiwan, we have said that we are there to help you protect yourself. we consider you an ally. so what are they supposed to think if we won't allow an official to go on a visit? >> you're getting ahead of decisions that haven't been made here. there's been no announcement. so i'm not going to speculate about that. let's back up here. nothing has changed about our adherence to the one china policy. nothing has ch...

There's a lot to discuss. >> martha: indeed there is. to put a button on the travel issue. just in general, is it the white house's contention that that act is in place, that that travel -- open travel for officials -- so if a bunch of republicans decided to go to taiwan tomorrow, the white house would support that, correct? >> there's no change to our policy with respect to government officials, u.s. government officials, traveling to taiwan. we are committed to helping taiwan defend itself. on occasion in order to meet those commitments, of course, u.s. government officials have in the past ...

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