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>> his cluelessness is trumping whatever love of country he has. so that's not going to help him in a campaign. >> you know, owe. >> oh, yes. >> a lot of people walk out of the room and want plausible deniability. >> the vice president has no clue about any of this? >> i don't know. anybody think he has no clue about this? >> no. >> it's possible he has no clue. >> for two years to sit at the side of trump and have no clue there was no contact, there was no contact at a minimum with russia, that's impossible. >> if she choosing to have no care, he is choosing to have that with his future. >> i...

Appears clear with two separate examples that the russian government through its intelligence services approach the trump campaign to collude, to offer some kind of support. we know from in the case of donald trump's e-mail and we know from papadopoulos there was initial ascent on the part of the trump campaign. we then don't know what happened. >> that's exactly right. that's why i stopped at spot and assess. we may or may not find evidence that other things happened after that. but this is absolutely classic, fareed, in terms of a soft, indirect approach by a foreign service, always maintain...

Clinton -- related to hillary clinton's time at the state department that had been well known at this point, but it's clear, especially from the papadopoulos plea agreement that this -- these -- sort of the trend of communications continues well into june. june is one of the infamous trump tower meeting occurs and at that point it was publicly reported and well-known there were russian attempts to interfere in the election and potential russian hacking attempts. >> after papadopoulos sent an e-mail entitled request for putin to meet trump, we need someone to communicate d.t. is not doing these...

Have to get into this to determine what happened, who knew what and when. >> jeanine: joining us now with reaction is larry elder and fox news contributor tammy bruce. all right, tammy, we have leon panetta. everyone's giving him credit because he said obviously we have to look at it. but then he took the slant -- these are big operations. the left-hand may not know what the right hand is doing. what is your take? >> that's what they are always thinking. that's the dynamic. plausible deniability. we know the democrats have been very sloppy. if you think about the pakistanis running the dnc, th...

Have to get into this to determine what happened, who knew what and when. >> jeanine: joining us now with reaction is larry elder and fox news contributor tammy bruce. all right, tammy, we have leon panetta. everyone's giving him credit because he said obviously we have to look at it. but then he took the slant -- these are big operations. the left-hand may not know what the right hand is doing. what is your take? >> that's what they are always thinking. that's the dynamic. plausible deniability. we know the democrats have been very sloppy. if you think about the pakistanis running the dnc, th...