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Chairman, and also an msnbc political analyst. good to have all of you with me on a friday afternoon. naveed, let me start with you. you are quite familiar with russian intelligence techniques. based on this newest revelation about precisely who was in the room for that meeting, what does that tell you? >> well, it tells me that it follows a pattern that makes sense. that this would be, in fact, a russian operation. and that pattern is the fact that they use what we would term a cutout. look, the russians have a very robust and large network that i believe operates the united states. i had per...

And even in america, latin america. they can even be hackers, by the way, in the united states, who very skillfully and professionally shifted the blame, as we say, on to russia. >> russia is saying -- he's saying right there it was not us and it could be anybody, really, anybody across the world. and we heard president donald trump say yesterday it could be russia and there could be other players in the hacking. how does that bode for this meeting. what does that tell you? >> there are all forms of plausible deniability. we have several audiences here. putin has his audience at home and trump...

President of the united states, donald trump, where he said the problem with the russians is they lie. this is absolutely -- when you have a covert action like this, the nice thing about it is it provides you with what's known as plausible deniability. you can look with your deep eyes into the camera and say absolutely not. why would i do this? it's all simply not true. if i could add on to jeffrey's comment earlier about the leaks portion, leaks of classified information are a bad thing. it's all the worse in this case, because guys like mueller who are doing the investigation on this have ac...

>> strength through no matter what price. >> plausible deniability. that's the name of the game. deny, deny, deny. donald trump does that, too. in terms of approximately ticks, russia'sosition on a gio politics is one of wanting to be a power player and a key power player on the global scene. it's a politics presentiment you have there. while putin maybe was able to out maneuver barack obama the last time chemical weapons are used by bashar al-assad's regime and russia able to step in, now russia is in an uncomfortable position where they may be losing friends and can't be on bashar al-assad e...

Atlantic. the white house press secretary reciting a claim from a fox news analyst that former president obama got british intelligence to spy on president trump. >> he didn't use the nsa, or the c.i.a., he didn't use the fbi and he didn't use the department of justice, he used gchq. >> britain's equivalent of the nsa, a super secret eavesdropping agency with some of the world's best technology. according to the fox analyst quoted by sean spicer, using the gchq to spy on president trump would have given president obama plausible deniability. >> the british are furious, calling the comments rid...