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Megan? >> i think there are certain things we don't know, but that certainly raises the question of what was the motivation to secretly tape the president on that issue at that time? i mean this is the thing about tapes, right? tapes don't lie. you can have disputes about a conversation you had back in 2016 with a he said, she said, he said, he said. but, you know, tapes don't lie. and i think it's very significant -- that's a huge significance of this tape. >> liz, the scale doesn't lie, the tapes don't lie either and this is why michael cohen may have made it. i want to bring in jay goldberg...

In a very sort of sug way where we're all aware of it. whether it's with tweets he's done or meetings he's had with the show literally called trump tapes. i believe in sort of inching at the idea that there are these tapes. today it's very clear that we don't know who leaked this story, or who leaked this information, but given the reporting, i think it's pretty clear that it might be coming from michael cohen himself. so he's trying to speak to trump. he's trying to, you know, always the idea of the pardon and him wanting this pardon is always in the backdrop. and clear, i think, with this st...

This criminal -- one aspect of this criminal investigation. >> liz, let me read more from this reporting in your publication, giuliani saying trump told cohen if he were to make a payment to ms. mcdougal, write a cash, so it could be properly documented. if there is a case, if there is a bear, if there is a case, quote, it's not clear whether a federal judge would rule on whether prosecutors can even listen to the recording, and we'll get later to the lawyers here. but whether or not prosecutors get it, it's in the "new york times" for a reason tonight. is it because michael cohen is continuin...