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The president's point man and bagman private attorney rudy giuliani. >> what do you think he meant by his characterization of giuliani as a hand grenade? >> what he meant by this is pretty clear to me in the context of all of the statements that mr. giuliani was making publicly about the investigations that he was promoting, that the story line he was promoting, the narrative he was promoting was going backfire. i think it has backfired. >> dr. hill and david holmes also cast doubt on the claims of two participants that they didn't know until late in the game that the president's demand ukrain...

Where we are today. >> dr. hill added that while a president certainly has the right to dismiss an ambassador, she couldn't understand why it was necessary to malign a career foreign service officer. dr. hill went onto recount her run ins over ukraine policy with gordon sondland, the ambassador to the eu and the trump donor who was the president's other point man in ukraine. yesterday sondland implicated the president and numerous other top administration officials including chief of staff mulvaney in the scheme to leverage ukraine. and he testified there was, in fact, a quid pro quo. today fi...

The attacks, the smear campaign against ambassador yovanovitch. and ambassador bolton looked pained, basically indicated with body language that there was nothing we could do about it. and he then in the course of that discussion said that giuliani was a hand grenade that was going to blow everyone up. he was frequently on television making incendiary remarks about everyone involved and he was clearly pushing forward issues and ideas that would probably come back to haunt us. and in fact, i think that's where we are today. >> dr. hill atted that while a president certainly has the right to dis...

Incendiary remarks and clearly pushing forward issues and ideas that would come back to haunt us and in fact i think that's where we are today. >> dr. hill added that while the president certainly has the right to dismiss an ambassador, she couldn't understand why it was necessary to malign a foreign service officer. she went on to account her run ins with gordon sondland, the trump donor who was the president's other point man in ukraine. yesterday sondland imprecated the president and other numerous top officials including mick mulvaney and he testified there was in fact a kw quid pro quo. t...

President's direction using rudy giuliani as point man with the complicity, acquiescence of some of the top cabinet officials, our political team has taken the opportunity to be who with us here. kirstin power as scott jenning bes. appreciate you being here with us. gloria what stood out today? it was a long and incredibly important day. >> it was. i mean, to summarize sondland, i think what i would say was his statement was, everyone was in the loop, twice he said it twice. >> and he name named of mo that everyone was. >> he named names and it was every name including the secretary of state, ...