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You like, the russians are incrementally gaining ground. not very quickly. it's causing enormous damage. they're doing it with excessive use of artillery and missiles, with excessive damage to the civilian infrastructure. what do you think is russia's aim? 0bviously, they want as much territory as they can get, but will they go on to attack other cities and towns? they haven't yet decided. their current strategy is pretty clear. it's to take as much territory as possible in the donbas. that puts them into a strong negotiating position, at which point putin has to decide one of two things. he c...

The conversations happen. let's get more tanks and ammunition. let's get more drones. okay. but then at the same time, what happened if putin crosses the line? >> this is the fascinating question is white house has been gaming out, the pentagon has been gaming out. i agree with congressman that it would certainly cross a line, a red line. we have not seen nuclear use since -- of a nuclear weapon being used in anger since august of 1945, and that was the second attack, the one on nagasaki. that said, i think the place where the biden administration might separate itself from what you just heard...

From the americans, they do believe or at least aiming for the reopening of the american embassy here in kyiv which, of course, was shuttered toward the beginning of the war. they believe they can reopen it by the end of may. >> matt rivers live for us in the capital, kyiv. grateful for the reporting. let's get more from general marks. you hear matt rivers make the case that the russian progress in this part of the country is slow and incremental. but you still see it as significant, and you see putin as a plan. i want to blank this so you can come in yourself. to partition this? >> yes. absol...

War, but you would understand that. an attack on a very important piece of economic infrastructure. the russians know there are people there. yes, some ukrainian fighters but also civilians. when you look at the pictures, what comes to mind? >> clearly the devastation that's taking place, the lack of the rules of land war fair are not being adhered to at all by the russians. they simply do not care. their objective is to wear down to morale of the ukrainian people, and to create a wasteland. putin has no desire to leave ukraine and he has no desire to try to rebuild it. this produces for him i...

Dissidents but there still is a vibrant dissident community in russia. will it stay? will it make a difference? >> well, all it takes is -- we don't know how this whole thing is going to play itself out, but what alexei navalny who is in jail, their calculation is that at some point putin is going to misstep, the whole country is going to rise up, there's going to be chaos and then there is going to be a need for a new leader. i can imagine if that happens and it's happening in a lot of other countries, navalny will be the president and caramurza will be the prime minister. >> bill browder, al...