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Things. two people who are accusing him of a crime are not two white men of influence but rather two african-american women, point one. point two, lynching was, in fact, an extra judicial -- lynchings were extra judicial murders. that is, vigilante injustice. these women are not seeking to have him at the end of a rope but rather in front of a committee or in front of some kind of investigatory body. and so the analogy with lynching is inaccurate and inappropriate. >> that was civil rights attorney, former naacp cornell brooks talking with me a short time ago. deborah katz, the attorney for va...

One. point two, lynching was in fact an extra judicial -- lynchings were extrajudicial murders, vigilante justice. these women are not seeking to have him at the end of a rope but in front of a committee or investigatory body. the analogy with lynching is inaccurate and inappropriate. the lieutenant governor can call for due process, that doesn't surprise me as a lawyer. he can even call for -- and should call for the presumption of innocence. that is certainly what lawyers do and that's certainly what americans expect. but to make the analogy with lynching is unfortunate. it's inaccurate. it'...

Night with attacking him. >> so, matt, the question to you becomes this. carol raise as really good point. hearing it through mccabe, these details rerepeat that you write about, that we all talk about on a daily basis, it's as if we've come a little bit story blind. you have forgotten. when you hear it in someone's hands like mccabe, who was in charge of opening this, who decided to open this investigation, that really focuses the mind. point two that carol made is this book tour is just getting started. you can't buy this book until tomorrow morning. he has -- mccabe has between six and seve...

Point. hearing it through mccabe, these details rerepeat that you write about, that we all talk about on a daily basis, it's as if we've come a little bit story blind. you have forgotten. when you hear it in someone's hands like mccabe, who was in charge of opening this, who decided to open this investigation, that really focuses the mind. point two that carol made is this book tour is just getting started. you can't buy this book until tomorrow morning. he has -- mccabe has between six and seven media appearances scheduled just for tomorrow. how is that going to go over? >> i don't think it's...

When you hear it in someone's hands like mccabe, who was in charge of opening this, who decided to open this investigation, that really focuses the mind. point two that carol made is this book tour is just getting started. you can't buy this book until tomorrow morning. he has -- mccabe has between six and seven media appearances scheduled just for tomorrow. how is that going to go over? >> i don't think it's going to go over well with trump in particular. we've had one interview and the president is just going nuts on twitter, which maybe that was predictable. but as this book tour drags on, ...