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To back you up. in fact, justice kagan said that at a speech in princeton in 2018 where she said the only reason people obey our decisions is because they believe in our integrity and they believe that we're fair. and so that's what's at risk when that sort of squabbling comes to the forefront. >> i want to read some of npr's reporting about justice kagan to you, brian. at oral argument, justice kagan, one of the court's best, sometimes takes a different approach. she shuts down rather than alienate our colleagues. still, her anger is often palpable. the color draining from her face. and justi...

Wade, vaccine mandate all where they describe is an unusual level of tension among the justices themselves. npr says this, quote, anyone who regularly watches supreme court arguments is used to seeing testy moments in both big and little cases, but you don't have to be a keen observer these days to see something is happening. joining our conversation, msnbc contributor, voice vance and brian is here. so the supreme court is very opaque. they're not, there's not like a white house press that reports out. there's not a lot of behind the scenes color, but to read the reporting who really is a tru...

Integrity in the eyes of the public and i think we'll see the chief justice step in and try to impose some order on the court that will be named for him in the history books. the real question is whether chief justice roberts will take these stories and use those to convince his colleagues that the time has come for the court to do an about face. >> it would appear if he has tried that, he has failed, brian, and if you can't get grown men to wear a mask to protect a colleague with type i diabetes, i'm not sure you're going to be able to moderate their opinions. i want to read a little bit more...

1970 statute that gave joe biden the authority to carry that out. at this point, joe biden can't sweep this issue under the rug of this collision course he's on with this republican supreme court. >> what's amazing, joyce, is we know from the little reports there is on the court, they're acutely aware of their perception and i don't know they all view it as a problem. it's clear the chief justice does and that the liberal justices do, but i want to read this, which builds on some of the points brian's making. it's in the atlantic today. quote, the conservative wing of the court wants to have i...