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>> juan: the policy. >> kimberly: selective. >> jesse: policy is catch and release, juan. that's what attracts all of this migration. and when you get rid of catch and release, you have a zero tolerance policy. >> juan: like trump saying everybody is going to rush over the border. >> jesse: if you build a wall and don't do the catch and release, then that's why have you border security. >> greg: senator rob portman exposed this in 2016. >> juan: oh, yeah. >> kimberly: if the democrats take over congress, are they going to be able to solve this issue? >> juan: i hope so. because one of the real...

With the government. >> nbc news has not confirmed that he is representing cohen. you have been writing about this, aaron. >> it is clear thathe is a desire to have an impression that he is unhappy. we saw a number of reports on wednesday one from wall street journal and cnn and now the report of him withdrawing. i was surprised he was still in the role. why would you leave a guy who was like that in that role? it would have been really easy for him to drop that job given the investigation he was under and he did mention that in his letter resigning as finance chair. then he saw fit to mention...

Attention. >> you think it is a diversion? >> it is a diversion. you can talk about the border wall, worse provisions they're trying to put in to stop -- they want to reduce immigration by 50%, to have people who -- >> that's a policy difference. that's a legal immigration policy difference. >> policy difference is legitimate. >> you're saying don't do it now? >> i'm not saying don't do it now. what i'm saying is don't play hostage, don't hold the kids hostage, that's what i'm saying. >> with all of the heat that is coming at this administration from -- forget heat from democrats, from republi...

>> who isn't? yeah, for apple pie and puppies. >> we have a legit policy difference. here's the disconnect, is that certain republican leaders thought that you could never talk about tariffs. you could never talk about standing up for america. but what trump has done is connecting with people, and again, not just even the republican base. we're talking people in blue states and purple states of pennsylvania, michigan, the other places where trump put together this winning trump coalition. and he was able tonect with them. >> jason, first of all, let's not overstate his reach because he lost th...

Tariffs, for example. but they are scared out of their minds. >> they're for american jobs. see, here's where we have -- >> who isn't? yeah, for apple pie and puppies. >> we have a legit policy difference. here's the disconnect, is that certain republican leaders thought that you could never talk about tariffs. you could never talk about standing up for america. but what trump has done is ecting with , and again, not just even the republican base. we're talking people in blue states and purple states of pennsylvania, michigan, the other places where trump put together this winning trump coalit...