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In syria is an unpopular and probably in the country. the only place it would work -- >> hillary clinton needs one or two moments where she's just human. if she just -- we know she's going to just kill everybody on the policy points. she's taken a more hawkish position. she can defend herself on that. you have to find a moment where you just tell a story. the rationale point you're making is correct but it's got to be put in a human context. listen, my mom went through hell to raise me. i get it. >> it has to not look scripted. >> they're going to go after her for supposedly flip-flopping in r...

What created tension. also they didn't -- many black women don't like when she hit president obama on different policy points. they didn't find that to be loyal in the way that a joe biden has shown just a tremendous amount of loyalty and support of the president. those are the issues they have. they're not very substantive issues. this is not very substantive so i don't think it is going to last. >> joe biden during that same campaign called president obama clean and articulate. >> at the was forgiven. and he came around and really showed himself to be a true advocate and supporter and partne...

She wasn't going to use it with platitudes. she was going to use it with policy points that i don't think any of the other candidates matched. and frankly weren't even demanded. >> she definitely came into this well prepared with some definite ideas in mind with how to make her mark. >> absolutely. the policies really stood out. we're definitely going to see headlines that carly was a big winner. i also think rubio. he had a similar strategy of really showing he was the better candidate on some of the big issues they care about. namely i thought they stood out on national security and foreign ...

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And van jones. a cnn political commentator. just quickly go around. van, your thoughts on who stood out? >> well, carly had a tremendous night. she'll be up five points. i just think that she wanted the ball, she fought for the ball, she got the ball. jeb actually humanized himself. he talked about his brother, stood up for his brother. not necessarily politically smart. he talked about hi mom and he talked about his desire to do well for the country. i thought jeb bush actually humanized himself tonight. rubio put in a good performance, but carly was the standout. >> s.e. cupp. >> i agree. it...