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Maintaining that spontaneity that you talked about? because if they tried to force it, it will be an epic failure. >> that's exactly right. if they try -- if everybody watching says boy, they're really trying to make an impression, that's not a good thing. you can't seem to be trying to make an impression. you to seem to be authentic. yes, spontaneous, but also you have to seem like you could stand up against donald trump. you have to seem like you can stand next to donald trump in a debate setting and give better than you get. and that's what i think a lot of people -- >> i think what you wro...

Website, you see a lot of policy stuff. day after day after day, there's more and more policy stuff. there's a part of him that's like, i want to be me, that guy that's loose, and i want to be the policy guy. and for most of these people, it's pretty early on and there are still works in process. >> well, seven days from now, a big moment to stand out. >> no question, no question. we'll see. >> harry, thank you for doing this. >> who's going to be taller? bill de blasio or beto o'rourke. >> bill de blasio. >> beto o'rourke is pretty tall, too. >> totally the tallest guy i know. >> they're both...

You standing up there one of ten, throughout three hours having six or seven minutes. the one percenters, this is a strategic mathematical fact, if you go up there and do the blocking and tackling, that's not enough. i would challenge you if i was coaching you or advising you, you obviously can't create the moment, it's got to be authentic, but the same way you turned to him and said don't hurt my feelings, there's got to be a human moment. people have to fall in love with you a little bit, from the right side of their brain and not the left side of the brain. let it rip. it is a show up there...

She's moving up but bernie's moving down which an interesting sort of dynamic. she could become the sort of anti-biden in the race, potentially. you're not going to tag kamala harris with that, and you're certainly not going to tag joe biden with that. and so i -- i worry -- i never really worried a lot about that or worry about it a whole lot less. >> i was going to say don't underestimate what warren's doing attacking big tech. as opposed to bernie who's saying i want to give you anything and everything -- >> she jumped up. i mean the policy stuff is working. i don't think in the end it's go...

She could become the sort of anti-biden in the race, potentially. bernie is now. you're not going to tag kamala harris with that, and you're certainly not going to tag joe biden with that. and so i -- i worry -- i never really worried a lot about that or worry about it a whole lot less. >> it's not going to happen, if it did, it's a loser. >> don't underestimate what warren is doing, attacking big tech, as opposed to bernie who says i want to give you anything and everything. >> she jumped up. i mean the policy stuff is working. i don't think in the end it's going to work. interesting later in...