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What donald trump and governor christie were doing were delivering a message and the others were debating in a senorial fashion. the other folks are lost in the weeds. that said i think it was a great debate. i like to hear the weeds of policy stuff. i like to go through it and like to hear them do it. and one thing i would say about paul and the families, if you recall in the early 1980s, mr. gaddafi blew up a west german distech and killed a number of american servicemen. president reagan sent the military to attack gaddafi's home and killed one of his family members -- [ inaudible ] >> not ...

Of people in his ear, including his brother and his parents. saying, jeb, just be yourself, be your true authentic self. go back to 1994 and 1998 when you were running for governor of florida and articulating your view as to how you would change the state. do that on the national stage tonight. be your true authentic self. also, make sure that no one else defines you. he probably does have to go after marco rubio, but not after the credit card stuff, but more about the policy stuff. differentiate yourself from chris christie and ben carson and marco rubio. jeb has to look within himself and be...

So i think we'll get more substantive policy stuff. the answers will be 90 seconds with 60 seconds rebuttal. i do want to play one more sound bite today. donald trump has been attacking marco rubio on this credit card controversy down in florida. rubio again out today responding with this. >> well, you know, i don't think someone who's taken like donald trump has four companies into bankruptcy is in any position to lecture anyone about finances. but when it comes to the charge card of the republican party, we've put it out there. most people who look at it say this is a silly story and assume ...

Neither one of them is really talking much about the democratic party or the republican party or wanting to lead that party. although they seem to want that party's nomination. >> yeah. there is a big irony here. there are important differences between sanders and trump. i think, trump is a much more of a nationalist. he is much more entertaining. much more seat of his pants. bernie sanders knows what he thinks. he has been a socialist for several decade now. he can talk that stuff with great specificity. i think he is a loon on the policy stuff. not like he doesn't have a deeply, secure set o...

Washington can't do anything right, government can't do anything right. i think that's why -- if you're a senator on that stage, if you're of washington, it's a little bit tough tore make the argument. if you're scott walker, a governor, you can sort of run on washington. but donald trump, that's exactly what he's been doing. he's saying, the whole system's a mess. people like his bravado and his -- how tall he stands. but don't you think people want specifics from him? that's what i'm wondering. >> it's funny, that might be a trap for trump but i kind of doubt it. i think trump can say, you k...