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Same, policy wise, i don'te. see much of a difference. >> she is unpopular,rt, the numbers bear that out, i think that republicans will make the spector of a harris presidency if joe biden could not continue and serve out two terms, that seems like potentially a potent attack. >> well, she is unpopular. she has been unpopular as f toorm mentioned for a long time, she never made it to first contest. iowa caucus, she had to drop out of the primaries. and she unfortunately for heunfor has provided a lot off examples for republicans too exploit. but you know you mentioned something she is oftenki ...

Years _ 2024 posted what is the next four years going to look like? not only politically— years going to look like? not only politically policy wise, but longevity for the person who is in charge _ longevity for the person who is in charge of— longevity for the person who is in charge of the free world, in charge of one _ charge of the free world, in charge of one of— charge of the free world, in charge of one of the largest economies in the world. — of one of the largest economies in the world, the united states, so it is definitely a concern and this will not — is definitely a conc...

>> but -- >> having more personnel there, we've had more personnel there year after year after year. we're not losing people, you know, we're not losing that profession. so, i feel like we are just doing that thing where we put money towards enforcement of something that is not the heart of the issue. >> right, because it's not the northern border we should be talking about, it's mexico's southern border. like, they're coming from central america. and it's like there's a reason why, and we're contributing to those reasons why, and we're trying to have these separate conversations, but they're ...

To find new voters, that's for sure. so we can't be beaten on this policy wise. i think we've already won the policy arguments on the economy, on education, on a number of issues. i think we've got some work to do on the young people who think differently on abortion. perhaps, or guns or climate change. but even there, the democrats messages are usually cynical. the place i'm really the thing i'm really concerned about with this, laura , is that the left becomes a turnout machine with young people because influencers have this domino effect, lemming like effect of people, just all them wanting...

Like him, his time has passed, it's time to move on to someone who has, similar to him, policy wise, but without all of that baggage and chaos and controversy that these voters found, even trump supporters, found so fatiguing and exhausting by the end. >> that sounds like an insanely difficult needle to thread. i am -- well, there's so many reasons i'm not running for the republican nomination. >> [laughter] >> we will watch, on the sidelines. ashley parker, thank you for the great reporting. thanks for the time tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> we have still more to get to this, evening in...