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Trillion for the first time ever. both parties are talking and spending, they're actually increasing it. we have ryan payne with us and mattie doppler. this was time when this was news. are we so numb we don't care? >> i would argue that politic n politicians are somewhat unnerved to the national debt. but that clip you played was right on. we're careening towards a cliff and we don't know how to stop ourselves. in some ways, it's alarming but not shocking that politicians have not started to use the national debt as an issue that they actually want to tackle. but frankly, if you look into the...

What do you think about this guy's opinion? >> well, trump said he wanted to drain the swamp by which he meant he did not want politic n politicians who care more about their own future to keep running everything. i think it's inspire today bring people in whether they have been senior with the military or senior in business, the fact they are not part of the political class i think it's an absolute breath of fresh air. as far as voting is concerned none of us would agree but we have to ask the question, do we want to go on in the european union? do we do on provoking him while we have a frank...

Politician. he went from being an astronaut to politics. he resonated like any politic n politician. talk about him there. >> i was a strategist and media consultant in his last senate race in ohio in 1992, which he won. i had gotten to know him pretty well. i knew him somewhat before that. actually, he wasn't a great politician. he was a great public servant. from the frontiers of space to the factory floors of ohio to the u.s. senate. the worst thing you could do in capturing john glenn was telling him he had to believe something or vote in a certain way because it was the political thing to...

Isis? >> look, we are definitely in conflict with isis, and i think we need a new update of military authorization, the aumf which was passed after the attack on 9/11. >> chuck, what is with the gymnastics? why not just call, as the french have, as the french socialist president has, as the british prime minister has, call a duck a duck? >> i think we're at war with terrorism and i think politic n politicians are talking about that. >> they're talking about gun control. >> absolutely. >> chuck, hillary clinton won't even say we're at war in isis. isis says they're at war with us. forget the re...

That they have done over the last seven years. >> joe biden, of course, just one of the best liked politic n politicians in washington and talked of republicans a warning shot to hillary clinton and named republicans as one of the enemies she's made in the many years in public life. joe biden saying that it's naive to say republicans are the enemy and he's become known for working with republicans over the course of the past several years. we have had a lot of gridlock here in washington and i covered events on capitol hill and he negotiated with mitch mcconnell to back away from the fiscal cl...