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Why, why is he lying? i want to point out, what did he lie about? you laid out the three general categories. that third category about his interactions with kilimnik, it seems that specifically he was lying about the fact that he and kilimnik were continuing to discuss this ukrainian peace plan which is another way of saying sanctions relief even after -- even while he was trump's campaign adviser and for several meetings afterwards, so that's one of the core pieces he lied about and the other piece, it seems is about the transferring of this poll data so the two pieces we've all been talking ...

Would like it. all of a sudden, everybody said i was running for president. i never said i was running forment as you know. >> but you hired roger stone, a well known political consultant. >> roger is a friend of mine. he's a good guy, and he looked at the possibility of him. >> the president met manafort, who was partners with stone, through stone in the '80s. manafort then became part of this tight circle. >> roger's, you know, relationship with trump has been interconnected that it's hard to define what's roger and what's donald. while it will be clearly a trump presidency, i think it's inf...

I'm saying any contact and you brought up paul manafort, did you have any idea that he had given poll data to one of his friends and he met with another guy so closely connected to russia about u.s. policy? >> no, i never heard of that guy, whatever -- i have seen his name in the paper. i was not familiar with him prior to the recent stories. and your second question -- >> that he also had a secondary meeting with somebody where they discussed u.s. policy visa vi russia and ukraine and that was period similar to how it had been changed. were you aware manafort was doing any of that. >> no. >> ...

Yes, but the people in washington, many of them had no idea what they were doing and they were not close associates of mine. so this idea that i was trying to curry favor with them. i have no reason to do so. i have a relationship with the president of 40 years. that's a misnomer. there's a new york times story to that effect. trying to burnish my reputation with the campaign. that was completely unnecessary and false. >> agreed. i'm saying any contact and you brought up paul manafort, did you have any idea that he had given poll data to one of his friends and he met with another guy so closel...

While it will be clearly a trump presidency, i think it's influenced by a stone philosophy. >> the three amigos. the idea that trump wasn't close, didn't know, wasn't aware of anything about who these guys were, what they're capable of, it all strains credulity. so what? well, did the president know what stone was up to with wikileaks and with his campaign? did he know what manafort was doing, meeting and giving proprietary poll data to his russia-connected buddies allegedly? we need to know if the president was capable of allowing or even enabling such wrongful behavior, or reverse it. how co...