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Here. and, you know, it hasn't bothered me, you know, that he's not here. some of the other candidates have not spent the time in iowa that they should have probably, but he's been plenty -- bill: shelley, what do you think about that? would a conviction change your mind? >> that's hypothetical. he hasn't been convicted of anything. and i think it's very telling that the biden administration has weaponized the doj. all of it, it's just terrible what they've done to him. and i think truth is being revealed every day about the administration. dana: tim, one of the things nikki haley, who you're ...

Philadelphia?? -- crasser in is doing in philadelphia? is that your definition of working or should we go back to policing and enforcing the law if? pete: but, lee, millions will be spent in ads to try to turn that tide and say, no, no, no, that was -- that's maybe where we were before, but not anymore. will it work on the polling side? >> i don't think so. i think, generally speaking, when one party co-opts the other party's message, it isn't resonant because people dismiss it. democrats did say defund the police, they did say let's shift funds to other participants, and that is in large part...

Tangible every single day. but when you talk to white house officials they make clear they want the focus to be on domestic issues. and number one is the coronavirus pandemic. they understand both from a public health perspective but also from an economic perspective their success is directly tied to their success in handling and managing the coronavirus. it's what they thought what the most successful element leading into this summer. and the numbers seem to back that up, both on the polling side of things but also on the case counts, on the deaths, on the hospitalizations. obviously that has...

On the polling side where we were taking a lot of steps but didn't amount to a department that everybody felt connected to or could trust. >> one thing i noticed is that the poverty rate among african-americans hispanics here are significantly high are than the average for the nation. >> that's right. >> and in that sense how much progress has been made here? >> you know this didn't begin with my administration and it won't end on my watch. but we have made progress. so there is two ways of looking at it. i can point to the fact that black unemployment is down by half since i took off office o...

Sort of almost making excuses. well, it's all within the margin of error. anybody who says that, i think, is fully kidding themselves. what we know is that in states, particularly where there was a high number of non-college white voters, the error in terms of protecting for trump or hillary, matchup higher. so clearly, we have missed something on the polling side in terms of looking at that kind of data. and i think we've got to figure out what it is, why is it? are they not talking to us? not interested in doing surveys? are they a group of voters that's so dissatisfied with the system, that...