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Pope francis in any way. he has done and said, and decided what he wanted to do. but it is a powerful presence, i think most of us have been in the situations where there is a bit of a shadow from our predecessor and may be people make comparisons and people say, we did it differently in the past. in the recent months, pope francis has struggled with mobility. there was speculation he was reluctant to consider resigning while pope benedict was around and he might now consider that option more freely. if we had three popes, that would be, we have to say a little bit difficult to manage, i would...

Popes having funerals, not retired popes. >> reporter: well, that's right, max. and in fact it was pope em emerieme emeritus's wish that it was a simple ceremony. and part of that means there's not the protocol we would see for big international gatherings. as you well know, when a president or a prime minister moves, he moves with a big entourage. there is a lot of of security and coordination that is required. so part of what simple means for the vatican is please keep your entourage's small and send representatives that maybe don't require such security. it's a lot of pressure on a city to ...

Now consider that option more freely. if we had three popes, that would be, we have to say a little bit difficult to manage, i would think. but now pope benedict has gone to the lord, i think, yes, pope francis will stick to those principles that he has established, he will continue in this ministry as long as he believes and says he is capable. pope francis has always shown immense respect for his predecessor. in the morning, tens of thousands of people will pull into st peter's square tojoin him in laying benedict xvi to rest. it might only be the very start of 2023 but thousands of people i...

When we had popes who presided, popes who were professors. this was very much a professor pope. he reminded me of another benedict, benedict xiv who lived in the 1700s who wrote the book on canonization. how do you examine candidates for canonization and many of those rules are still standing. >> in terms of, you know, the power of the church going forward, does it lie more in liberal happened now with a liberal pope there sitting, presiding over the service? >> no. i have to say the church is a church of -- at its best the church is a church of both and and not either/or. the church's social ...

How are catholics paying tribute around the world? >> well, masses are being said all over the world including in the united states. but really the impact of benedict's legacy is going to be seen in the coming years. it will be up to faithful to kind of come to terms to what it means to have lived through this unique experience. i mean, for perhaps many it will be the end of a time. this is one of the oldest reigning pontiffs -- the oldest pontiffs that we are saying good-bye to today. he represent aid changing church, a church that started under the second vatican council and now it's continu...