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None of that. because governor desantis and governor abbott, for example, win on that big metric. and if you don't believe me, just ask the number of americans that are moving to those states. you look at population inflows versus exodus, and debate is over. to your point, pete, they're weaponizing the virus for political gain. they need to attack governor desantis because he's a real threat in 2024. miranda devine laid that all out last night. watch. >> they're so in their heads, the democrats, particularly the biden administration, in trying to manipulate and weaponize this into an attack on...
>> interesting. >> and at the same time, the counter weight to that, which is something to explore, you have older people retiring there, and you are moving from the midwestern reddish to purple states. >> so in maricopa in particular, you have these kind of two population inflows that are changing. >> of our five counties, is maricopa the one that you would say, as maricopa goes, so goes the nation? >> i would say this. if the democrats win mare co ma, maricopa, i think they win arizona and if they win arizona it is hard to conceive how they would win arizona and lose. but in 2016, yes. >> mi...
Counterweight to that, which is something we also have to explore is you have older people retiring there. >> from those midwestern reddish to purple states. >> you kind of have these two population inflows that are changing. >> of our five counties, is maricopa the one that you would say as maricopa goes, so goes the nation? >> i would say this. if the democrats win maricopa, i think that means they win arizona. and i don't want to make any prediction. >> right because that would be a big deal. >> like you would say if they bin arizona, it's hard to conceive how they would win arizona and los...