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That said, there are deep differences. whenever you get into positional bargaining as manchin did when he threw out a $1.5 trillion number that's not good for the overall process. jim clyburn on "the situation room" last week said maybe we end up around 2 million. alex alexandria ocasio-cortez did some homonym hits on manchin, which doesn't help. as popular and needed as hurricane ida's impact should impress upon everybody, but in west virginia a lot of items in this $3.5 trillion bill would help residents of west virginia. he has a fair point to make about, look, we're not spending some of th...

Unhinged letter from the president won't really change things. >> i think it's probably too soon, because folks haven't read the letter yet. obviously, positioning are hardened. we're in positional bargaining. especially in the senate. sometimes party loyally asks too much. senators like romney, susan collins have to look at their conscience as well as constituents. do we want to throw up a road block before we make our decision? the president is making it worse for himself. this is the office held by washington and lincoln and could have handle this as a version of bill clinton and compartmen...

Influence people. the president considers himself one of the great deal makers in the history of the universe. up until this point in his presidency he hasn't been able to hammer out many deals. you note the things that made him a good deal maker in the real estate community if you believe that to be the case, don't necessarily work in politics, why? >> president trump tends to approach negotiation like a positional bargainer, and the rules of positional bargaining are very clear. you start with an extreme demand, sometimes an outrageous demand, you concede stubbornly, and you demonstrate a gr...

Than the fantasy the president will cave and defund his signature accomplishment. that is delusional. that is not going to happen. you have an extreme form of positional bargaining without any degree of practicality. this is about positioning, ideology and playing to the base, not about governing a place. >> if we get beyond the threat of a government shutdown, the next fight is over the debt ceiling. the last time we were talking about the debt ceiling i was on capitol hill, sleeping on capitol hill covering all of those negotiations over and over again. >> yes. >> we were also talking about ...