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Interesting, of course, the vice president has been negotiating, right, his team with the committee since last summer, right? so, this isn't new. b but, you know, this coming out now, you know, they do say mr. pence, in his view, these -- these criminal referrals that norm is referring to appear designed to hurt republican' chances of winning control of congress in november. right? that -- that team pence is put out that they see the committee becoming partisan. is he playing politics here? or do you think he's made up his mind, already? >> there's so much politics going on here. i know that's...

But i think that this is ultimately a loser for the republicans. >> yeah aaron, if you look at polling right now majority of americans still support planned parenthood and you talk about the defunding of the women's basic health services and that does not test well with women across the country. >> something i found really interest in all of these posturing happening is that republican leadership is holding back a little bit. so you really see the presidential candidates going whole hog on the videos talking about them particularly once were fundraising off of them. marco rubio and ted cruz ar...

That will come in the next few weeks which in some ways procedurally might take care of this whole problem, the country has moved on when it comes to gay marriage, same-sex marriage. how are we moving on in terms of immigration. >> what about doma, such an issue was also involved in doma and made it through. >> and made it lithrough. so i feel like there is a lot of throat clearing happening, a lot of posturing happening. but frankly, i'm for a bill that is as ib clus snclusive as we c possibly get it. to me, what's really troublesome about the whole conversation right now on immigration is ho...