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Oriented's that is fair but the truth is the disenfranchised -- the majority of disenfranchised groups we represent, they don't want to see us having power and not using. it i would love to get the merrick garland's moment back. i would want all of 2016 back. but we have to -- we are in this position where, historically, presidents have gotten a lot done. lbj passed anti poverty programs. bill clinton passed a. bills obama passed the affordable care act which would be a resilient piece of legislation. we can do this. it may violate some of the, i don't, know principles that we have tried to bu...

Countries being out protesting all day, george bush could still sit down behind closed doors and deal with poverty programs for africa. he could still sit down and talk about collaborating on the war on terror and intelligence sharing. it is truly extraordinary, and i wonder, one, do you see this the way ben rhodes sees this with america being out of the equation, and who, what do you see as our way back? >> there's no other way to see it then you had president macron taking up the mantel here and it was more less of a g7 but a g6 plus one in terms of president macron taking the lead in those ...

Power and presence. >> not just racism but also the persecution of poverty. the one thing that is extremely clear about this administration is they want to correlate folks who need assistance as being lazy, not working, not achieving the american dream and the truth is that even working people are on these assistance programs. the law required people to be in pursuit of a job in order to get access to these poverty programs. >> we're going to continue this discussion in a moment. before i go to break, i want to leave you with this tweet, paul rodman, he goes a note on the administration's new ...

Million people off of food stamps, off of snap. he's looking to refigure the way poverty is indexed so people can be involved in poverty programs. if you were mayor of the city of baltimore, would you advise him not to do those things? >> if i was mayor of the city of baltimore, which i intend to be, i would advise people in the city to figure out how to do more with less. which means we actually have to understand audits and accountability so you can do what you need to do with what you have. that's what's been missing. >> you would rather audit -- what you're saying to me is if your constitu...

Increase the diversity in the republican side of the aisle for so long, when you see this, what do you think? >> well, look, i mean, i'd like to see that same picture. i thought we were moving in that direction to get more diversity in the republican party. there's a lot of work do for republicans in terms of being inclusive. one of the things that i mentioned in my concession speech is that there's a sense that you never really take us home. and what i meant by that is the legislating in washington really doesn't transcend into -- on to the ground. the people that are actually -- that are suf...