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Strangest counsel for the president. talk about changing, you know, versions of what's going on. i think that was made a moment ago is the one we need to remember which is that in the end the offenses -- if they exist that were committed by the president would be left under our system probably to political judgment in an impeachment process, and what he said, the way individuals, the scripting of donald trump jr.'s statement is going to be relevant to any proceed, and whether or not it's a legally culpable offense i think misses the point. we're heading towards i think a process of political j...

Mueller and his investigation. and i think a lot of that has less to do with the legal battle ahead as much as it does fighting this battle in the court of public opinion. and so i think the point stands that is no president is above the law and would raise a great deal of questions if he were to pardon himself. i think what he is trying to do is lay the ground work to at a minimum discredit the work of rob robert mule easte robert mueller so regardless of the conclusion of the investigation, he's going to leave it to the american public to decide if they believe tha the investigation was cond...

President trump himself as we know has made many derogatory statements about it and he's never really walked them black. >> interestingly to that point that sabrina brought up about this becoming more mainstream, i know you recently wrote an article for "the guardian" and it has an interesting point to it that there's islamophobia on the rise among the liberals in what is called liberal islamophobia saying it's more insidious than right wing bigotry. why do you say that? >> yeah. i think, above all, it's dangerous to caricature islamophobia something specifically coming from the right. it's mo...

Firing his comment to lester holt has actually been mischaracterized to suggest that russia was the sole reason for the firing. jen, let me begin with you. is that a reason, do you think, that's likely to resonate with trump supporters? are they going to buy that the president, you know, even though he knew that firing comey was going to lengthen the investigation is not evidence that he was trying to obstruct justice? >> well, i think what does resonate with not only trump supporters but the american people are the powers, the executive powers granted to the president and the u.s. constitutio...

Absolutely crucial. >> and speak of political judgment, danielle, the letter addresses the president's tactic of going after the fbi and the department of justice publicly. in fact, they say, it's also worth responding to the popular suggestion that the president's public criticism of the fbi either constitutes obstruction or serves as evidence of obstruction. such criticism ignores the sacred responsibility of the president to hold his subordinates accountable. after all, the fbi is not above the law, and we are now learning of the disappointing results of a lack of accountability in both the...