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>> i just go back to values. i value treating people with dignity and if there is anything that is incongruent with those values i'm not for that. and so i'm not going to put profit over my values. >> you put your profits over your values? >> that would be a yes. >> look, i think. >> that would be a yes. >> i think that this -- go back comment hit -- hit a lot of us that support him- it hit a lot of us in the gut. i think that the president is putting a lot of us in a very precarious situation. i think the president has a base. and he has a far right-wing base and interests a lot of white nati...

Say that with all respect to you. let's flip back to the lead story before we get into the mud with pelosi and trump, and talk about investigating the investigators. as christine just mentioned, president has said he will not work with democrats until they stop investigating. he said the russia investigation was a witch hunt that hurt the country. how do you make that argument and in the same breath say we need to investigate the investigators. >> look, this is part of the president's sort of legal and really pr strategy which is to be aggressive, fight back, you know, he can say now the muell...

Feds. manafort's lawyers are saying, well, you know, this is a first-time offense and he's an older guy and crimes like the ones that he's been convicted of are normally not punished to the max, it's going to be up to judge ellis to make that decision tomorrow. but even if manafort evans up getting a lighter sentence, as you say, he has to go on to face his reckoning in d.c. so it's looking pretty bleak for him. i'd just like to add, brian, rewinding to the point about what giuliani's interest might be in suggesting -- sort of urging cohen, baiting cohen to return to attorney-client privilege....

Pardon and i think that would be a smart sort of pr strategy on the part of giuliani and the white house to say cohen was asking for this and it wasn't the president that was initiating it. that's the only motive i can see in juliet ni saying that. but i think it's an interesting question to try to think more about. >> robert costa, how about you take on that interesting question? >> at this moment we have michael cohen having testified publicly that he was not seeking a pardon. yet there are always conversations among attorneys about the state of cases, things that are sometimes inferred and ...

Back taxes he has evaded, did not fully cooperate with the feds. manafort's lawyers are saying, well, you know, this is a first-time offense and he's an older guy and crimes like the ones that he's been convicted of are normally not punished to the max, it's going to be up to judge ellis to make that decision tomorrow. but even if manafort evans up getting a lighter sentence, as you say, he has to go on to face his reckoning in d.c. so it's looking pretty bleak for him. i'd just like to add, brian, rewinding to the point about what giuliani's interest might be in suggesting -- sort of urging c...