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>> i guess a little bit. it is a loaded term because of the allegations made against donald trump in a different context. it is an odd term to use. obviously it is a strategy of containment and public relations, not a legal strategy. a lot of his legal strategy, matter of facts, with respect to the mueller investigation given his employment of rudy guilliani and the airwaves largely amounts to a pr strategy as opposed to legal strategy and the attacking of mueller is part of that as well. you rarely hear well-set out, profound, authoritative legal arguments in response to the theories being pr...

Even the tip of the iceberg or whatever metaphor you want to use. and you can't fight facts and evidence with that kind of pr strategy. for example, yesterday giuliani said flynn was a perjury trap. he was still saying that yesterday. even by the brief he knew that wasn't true. if that was a perjury trap it was the worst trap i've ever seen laid because they were giving him every opportunity to tell the truth and he just wouldn't do it. so, again, what he says has no basis on fact. >> 302, of course, the fbi interview reports of michael flynn that became public today in which we see exactly ho...

Some impact. it with worked until the facts started to come out. now they're coming out. and i don't think we're seeing even the tip of the iceberg or whatever metaphor you want to use. and you can't fight facts and evidence with that kind of pr strategy. for example, yesterday giuliani said flynn was a perjury trap. he was still saying that yesterday. even by the brief he knew that wasn't true. if that was a perjury trap it was the worst trap i've ever seen laid because they were giving him every opportunity to tell the truth and he just wouldn't do it. so, again, what he says has no basis on...

About education, we have a legislature in our house and senate that is not very savvy when it comes to these things. we saw last week a hearing that was pretty embarrassing with the head of google. and they need to be educated, because we do have to talk about some serious regulations and these entities definitely need it. >> you cover the tech community, you cover facebook certainly. what are they doing behind the scenes? are they doing much to try and figure this out or is it more of a pr strategy to save face? >> they're doing some things, but here is the biggest problem. the same thing tha...

Ascended to the highest office in the land illegally and in some ways illegitimate as president of the united states. >> i have a question. the chaos strategy we've seen first the pr strategy and now legal strategy apparently is a chaos strategy seems to work okay in an environment if your party controls all the levers of party. what's about to happen is demonstrate will control the house oversight committee and they will have some power. what's going to happen next and how will this strategy stand up in a washington that's now divided? >> well we've seen in the first two years the trump presi...