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Start investigating witnesses who lie to congress, there have been questions raised about the testimony of donald trump jr. >> right. that list could be long. >> that could be a whole new horizon for mueller. >> so, harry, as expected, rudy giuliani was asked to comment on this. let's listen to that exchange. >> it's nothing to do with the president. nothing to do with collusion. everything to do with a lobbyist who acted improperly who the president doesn't know. i mean, so far every indictment is unrelated to the president. he went through an entire manafort trial. not to the president. mill...

That the president is neither taking this seriously nor prepared to handle it strategically if he did take it seriously. >> reporter: well, he's planning to deal with it on his own terms. for this president that means twitter. you've seen this very public response from the president and heard it from rudy giuliani talking to hallie jackson saying they plan to challenge any mu mueller report by refuting the report. that's not a legal strategy, that's a pr strategy. this morning as you mentioned we've had a lot of media criticism from the president. but in trying mcgahn's departure, he forced hi...

Looks like this investigation is looking -- setting their sights higher than cohen or weisselberg, and i think that is very scary to the president and that is not something that giuliani or any really legal strategy at this point, especially a pr strategy, will be able to effectively mitigate. >> eli makes a good point. the southern district especially known for tariffs. hard to make a left wing campaign against the president. but i want to ask you about justice department official bruce orr. he's the official that has been the latest target, the latest sort of exhibit from donald trump and hi...

You don't give immunity to somebody unless they've had some legal exposure unless they've done something wrong. so if they've done things wrong, people who worked on the inside of trump tower, obviously it looks like this investigation is looking -- setting their sights higher than cohen or weisselberg, and i think that is very scary to the president and that is not something that giuliani or any really legal strategy at this point, especially a pr strategy, will be able to effectively mitigate. >> eli makes a good point. the southern district especially known for tariffs. hard to make a left ...

Of trying to impune the integrity of an investigation and ensnare the president at this hour. >> rudy giuliani in the "new york times" is telling us what we already know and have discussed numerous times on this channel, and that's the fact that this has always been the political response to this legal matter. it's obvious they think that's their best shot at defeating this in the court of public opinion and inoculating the president from the consequences of the mueller probe because his support remains strong enough with his base that republicans and congress won't go after him. the problem w...