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Evidence, it's over, let's move on. >> right. the president's lawyers up until this moment, i don't know if they're going to continue, have been very successful in getting the president not to tweet about bob mueller because they understand it is counterproductive. so he hasn't done that. now he's clearly going to tweet about what we expect, he'll tweet about the house committee and what they said and this proves there's no collusion, mueller ought to shut down his investigation. but might feel embolden then. might feel like i don't need to take any action against mueller because i'm going to ...

Papadopoulos, quote, triggered part of the probe. which seems to undermine his case that, you know, the steele dossier was essential for this. and then another line he has says that the corroboration of the steele dossier was in its fantasy when the warrants went out. so that seems to admit that the steele dossier was partially corroborated. so i really think that the dem memo was much more devastating than what we've seen from chairman nunes. >> so laura, what do you make of this back and forth between two high-ranking intel officials. has this turned into a pr war? and that going to resonate...

Or not? >> i would say that i would give that a try. >> you would give it a try. >> then if mueller said -- >> sorry buddy. >> you sure you want it that way? you're not going to like it if we do it once. >> you think it would be -- >> i think that mueller would have the leverage to say, i reserve the right to come back and ask more questions, either about the same subject or another subject. if they say no, you get a pr war, but i think it's probably a war that mueller wins. obviously, he can't be dragging the president up there and wasting his time over and over again without a good reason, b...

Documents by setting up things like that, they might have issues. generally, mueller steam will be able to work around this. i don't see any court decision coming in the transition team finding anything in court either. leland: serve another pr work continues by trumps team and you talked about that as well. as much as the pr war. always good to see you. we will see before christmas. gillian: california wildfires turning toward some of the most expensive homes in the country. will carr is on the ground over there. what can you tell us at this hour? >> you can hear the helicopters in the distan...

Weinstein and fellow travelers administration and their circle haven't hired all the crisis management firms. almost a job creations program of this administration. not just lawyers. but they need and for people who don't know what a crisis management firm is, they do press control, they control leaks, they place stories. they create momentum. they are lawyers that work for them. but even security people that work for them. this can be a giant operation. and i do think it reflects jared kushner's fear. >> and this is really highlights the pr war we are dealing with right now, which is one side...