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potentially multiple federal indictments. >> it's not a sure thing. >> i'm like, oh, really, you really think biden can beat him? >> nothing's a sure thing. but it's also like if you're trying to get the least popular figure as your nominee, donald trump is definitely that. that's just what the data say. >> that is what the data says. all right, my friend, have a wonderful evening. >> and thanks to you at home for joining us this evening. if you are a republican running for president in 2024, there is one question that you know you are going to have to answer. what do you think of do...

People are happy to say i don't care about the indictment, don't care what the espionage act told, i just want politics to end. and the way you do that is you obviate the need to have a conversation by saying witch hunt, saying deep state. and everybody who believes in you doubts that a legal resolution can ever be fair. and i think just the most depressing thing i keep seeing is this statistic that says 76% of republican primary voters are already convinced this is a purely partisan witch hunt investigation, and they know there's a threat to national security, that what was done, the underlyi...

Criminal justice -- if someone broke the law, they ought to be held accountable for it. i don't think anyone would disagree with that. but political differences historically have never been settled through the administration of justice. and if it turns out that this is just that, this is just the president again and his minions targeting people because they don't like what they did and what they said, it not only hurts the people who were asked to do these hard jobs, but it hurts everybody around them because they see it, they hear it, they smell it and they know that you can be punished, at l...

Accountable for it. i don't think anybody would disagree with that. but political differences historically have never been settled through the administration of justice. if it turns out that this is just that, this is just the president, again, and his minions targeting people because they don't like what they did and what they said, it not only hurts the people who are asked to do these hard jobs but it hurts everybody around them because they see it, they hear it, they smell it, and they know that you can punished, at least under this administration, for doing difficult things. you have to b...

"new york times" would later report that trump told them comey was a, quote, nutjob, and admitted that, quote, i face great pressure because of russia. that's taken off. may 11th, the infamous nbc news interview, trump mentions the russia investigation to lester holt about why he fired comey. may 12th, trump threatens comey in a tweet. quote, better hope there are no tapes of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press. may 17th, mueller is named special counsel. let's get to our panel. chuck rosenberg, former senior fbi firm. matt miller. and betsy woodruff, all nbc news contribut...