Frankly most of them will not get vaccinated unless someone makes them. i'm very much in sort of vaccine mandates for that group of people. if it weren't for that and the fact that our hospitals were at the breaking point for the past six or weeks or so, then you would say it's time to move on. but for the press race of the system, we have to continue to get more people vaccinated. >> dr. pernell, what is the answer for people who are so dug in to consider vaccinations? >> unfortunately, the people like candace owens are not the people we should be trying to convert. it's the people behind the...