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Economic relationships skpr ties. those are the things that will have seismic effects on the geopolitical landscape. everything needs to be done to avoid this. we're at the tipping point. it should be a full-court press on the pressure track. the pressure track includes weapons that probably won't be militarily deterministic but will start to affect the calculus. very potent, powerful sanctions. this bill that signals u.s. support, bipartisan support from democrats and republicans led by the executive branch and president biden, all that brought to bear might still have an effect on putin's ca...

And we shouldn't be just be considering a diplomatic track. there's also a pressure track that makes a lot of sense. we have very anxious allies along ukraine's western border. those allies are gonna want some insurances that mean something. we have allies that have already said they're ready to pony up weapons and support to ukraine. that already is some seepage to nato not being involved, at least bilaterally, or unilaterally. they are going to make some commitments to ukraine, because of their own national security interest. we should be doing more. we should be positioning -- we talk about...

Drag the u.s. into another major confrontation in europe. that's what we're facing. i think it's just not going to be that simple. i think we should be doing a lot more and we shouldn't just consider a diplomatic track. there's also a pressure track that makes a lot of sense right now. allies along the western ukrainian border. they're going to want assurances that article five mean something. that already is seepage to nato not being involved, at least bilaterally or unilaterally. they're going to make commitments to ukraine because of their own national security interests. we should be doing...

We've actually -- the united states and nato have been pretty successful with conducting a diplomatic campaign and enabling a pressure track that vladimir putin could buy into. the fact that there will be significant costs, that the seams between the u.s. and nato alliance and the seams between u.s. and eu are not as big as they thought, as the -- as big as the russians thought, that the u.s. is not going to be weak-kneed in responding, that weapons will come into ukraine, and now he's also seeing a coalition of the willing assemble. this is the triparte agreement between the uk, poland, and u...

That's part of it. also in russia's calculus, that triggers a security dilemma. do they keep pushing toward a scenario that increases for structure in europe they don't want. you know, i think weapons are another thing that's important. all these things together on a pressure track will be important. on the engagement track, you also need those face-saving measures and off-ramps. those on the margins could be the security assurances but not unilateral, bilateral, something that services both european and russian interests, not bending to putin's demands. >> could i just ask, what do you think ...