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d.c. courthouse where navarro is expected to arrive in about an hour and a half. we've got a lot to talk about and the best people to talk about it. "new york times" chief white house correspondent peter baker. nbc's pete williams. nbc's sahil kapur on capitol hill. ari melber, msnbc chief legal correspondent and host of "the beat." let me start with you, ari, because i saw peter navarro on your program last night. he did not appear, to me, to be a man who thought he might be in federal custody less than 24 hours later. >> that's exactly right. he didn't sound like that. he didn't ta...

Time, try to get the country's attention, say look, this is important. you should be engaged in this because your democracy is at stake. the question is really they can really captivate an audience beyond the people who are already convinced that something bad happened and change the dynamic in the public view of this event. pretty calcified, pretty polarizing along party lines and ideological lines so far. >> you've got to say whether peter navarro comes forward and testifies or gets additional papers, whether mark meadows ever comes under indictment, whether he cooperates with anybody, the c...