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Potential problem for president trump is where did the money come from to try to pay the hush money to stormy daniels? what money was paid through american media to karen mcdougal? and what kind of threat was there? and that is much more dangerous to him than extramarital dalliance because let's be serious at this point, the evangelicals don't care, the trump supporters don't care. that's not what's doing to bring him down. >> we all remember the trump reaction and public statement about if mueller goes -- wants to know about my business that's crossing a line. michael avenatti has sent letter...

There's a huge difference between them. pre-emptive is anticipatory self-defense. preventive war, that's kind of a strangling the baby in the cradle war. that's getting way ahead of the problem and taking what might be a war and making it a war. that's japan tacking the united states in 1941. that's us attacking iraq because we're worried about what they could do in five or ten years. and it's a very, very dangerous business. the statesman bismark once equated it to committing war out of fear of death. it requires you to think ahead of as everyone in the world is your enemy, which is the way b...

With john bolton and did he really have to promise not to get us in a war. >> john bolton can't start any wars on his own. there's nobody in his chain of command. he doesn't command the state department, the cia. what he can do is convince the president that military action is important and that starts that ball rolling. but then a lot of other people get their say. john bolton can't go to war by himself but he can make the military conflict more likely by the kind of advice he gives the president. which is the advice i think he's going to give the president. >> betsy, this president saw what ...

If you had a president of the united states leading what would be called either a preventive or pre-emptive strike of some kind on north korea, you would want the credibility that this was -- that this was necessary. you would want people to be able to look at this president and believe if the facts were presented that this was necessary. this presidency doesn't have that kind of credibility. >> that's correct. over the course of this presidency and over the course of campaign and trump's time in private life before he was running for office, credibility wasn't his strong suit. he's a long ter...

Pretty clear. and how interesting is the way michael avenatti has played all of this. what's really perilous for donald trump is the self-inflicted wound that he created with his fixer, michael cohen, by trying to shut this down in his typical way. because now the problem -- potential problem, very serious potential problem for president trump is where did the money come from to try to pay the hush money to stormy daniels? what money was paid through american media to karen mcdougal? and what kind of threat was there? and that is much more dangerous to him than extramarital dalliance because l...