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Themselves. many people here can't get on the trains to make it out as refugees. as far as poland. that's a long way away and no jobs for them they fear. some are reported to be coming back because they spent a few weeks as internal refugees. and can't sustain themselves. they're coming back in to war torn areas just to get by. >> all right. sam, be safe. thank you. let's bring in matt miller a special adviser the the national security counsel. we appreciate you joining u. thanks so much. the russian foreign minister saying again today that nuclear deterrence is russia's principle position. ...

Breaker for you? >> it's in our constitution that we should join nato. but we're not invited yet or the next ten years. so it's not on the table. it was a principle position for putin to show that he can do the things that he can just invade the country and do what he wants. he wants a military victory but hi won't get it for sure. >> sandra: >> neil: so the notion that you might not ever become a member of nato but vladimir putin and his trips go, what would you think of that? >> i think that after this invasion, it's an uncertain. it's clear that russia is a threat to us. always was. it was ...

Other undecided people say i'm against it too. >> all right. the health care bill is on life support, how can mitch mcconnell revive it? i want my panel to weigh in. michael steele, republicans are divided here. you have conservatives and moderates. >> uh-huh. >> will rand paul realize, hold on, if i don't let this thing go through and we end up with a sort of bipartisan resolution, that's even worse. why wouldn't those guys say, let's at least get us on the same page? >> well, i think probably because guys like rand paul are arguing for principle position. they had a compact, part of coming i...

Issues we have going forward. you think about the crisis. we talk about he said/she said, and then you just fly off the handle and respond to it. to us mr. trump, which is very disturbing for us, sounded almost like a school yard bully, that if you say something i don't like, that i'm going to come after you and everything is on the table. and while we have tremendous respect for mr. trump and dr. carson has great admiration for mr. trump and all the candidates, mr. trump should understand that dr. carson is a neurosurgeon, and dr. carson will not be intimidated by mr. trump's words or his hit...

Has given women. >> dana perino is co-host of the five right here on nfc and author of the new book and the good news is lessons and advice from the bright side. great to see you. >> thank you. >> and so you know rush was saying, and i heard you saying earlier on the five that that that was that was a significant moment. why? >> it's a change. so what rand paul basically did is say i am going to take your typical question for a republican that you never ask the democrats and i'm going to flip it back on you because i know where i stand on it. he has a principle position. some people might disa...