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Farcter than you were able to get? >> i think there's both new witnesses who we didn't get, pence and mark meadows. and then i think there's additional information from witnesses we did get. pat cipollone, for example, is an institutionalist who felt very strongly he needed to preserve executive privilege, lawyers in the white house need to give advice to their clients without congressional oversight. my understanding is that jack smith has overcome that privilege assertion, and that has resulted in additional information from pat cipollone and others. so, again, there are procedural mechanism...

Fitten, who is not even a lawyer, certainly not an expert in presidential records act, when any other sober, capable lawyer who is steeped in those facts is telling him otherwise. that's not a legal defense. you can't rely on unreasonable advice. >> let me ask you this question about the january 6th piece of this. we just had -- well, let me ask you the january 6th piece. would you expect a january 6th case to also be brought at the same time, and could they be brought at the same time in theory? >> yes, the select committee even based on the evidentiary record we developed recommended crimina...

Purported executive privilege. he believes that the law entitles him to all of that information, and he is determined to get it. look, you don't charge a former president with a crime absent doing your homework, and absolutely scouring the record for any possible relevant information. and jack smith and his team at special counsel's office appear to be doing that. i hope that they go beyond what we did. we didn't have the legal means to push through some privilege assertions or the time. he does, and therefore he may get some information that, because the rules of congressional oversight are v...

Committee has found questionable? >> right, well the committee has long said that the justice department has certain powers and abilities that they lack. >> remember, they are congressional investigation, their legislators not federal prosecutors. they don't have the power to tony body in jail, anybody in handcuffs. they can't even, really, threatened to do that. the justice department certainly can and so i think many of these witnesses may well treat a subpoena from the justice department differently than a subpoena from a legislative branch. we've even seen the justice department subpoena s...

>> remember, they are a congressional investigation, their legislators not federal prosecutors. they don't have the power to tony put body in jail, anybody in handcuffs. they can't even, really, threatened to do that. but the justice department certainly can and so i think many of these witnesses may well treat a subpoena from the justice department differently than a subpoena from a legislative branch. we've even seen the justice department subpoena some of the same witnesses that have already testified before the committee in fact, get some -- the sum of the privilege assertions that some of...