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Because you keep seeing -- it like a dog with one of those invisible colors, the invisible fence, they get to the privilege part and then they stop -- he gets to what the president said in a stop stocking. i don't know. my reading, amateur, people i've talked to, there is not a lot there for the privilege claim he is making. what do you think of that? >> first of all, there is no privilege claim to begin with, because the privilege belongs to the united states, okay? the privilege belongs to you and i, as the taxpayer. and the privilege would be certainly, i can't imagine it's any broader than...

Or late june, they spoke with justin clark, one of the lawyers for donald trump who basically said that bannon and his attorney had been misrepresenting the claims of executive privilege all along. they had actually not given them those assurances when he did invoke executive privilege for specific testimony and documents. i think that really undercut any argument he made. >> i want to read again from your reporting again. just to be clear, it doesn't show up for his deposition and the claim they put forward is we're not doing this because of executive privilege. the ex president has a privile...

He might as well request a [inaudible] phony ride, it just so -- it is never happened. >> phony ride. harry, let me get your read on this. because the benefit of the committee making a deal with bannon and roads, is that it would all be admissible, but the downside is that they could turn the sober and serious hearings into a circus, potentially at the cost of losing the respect of the public. what would you do? >> forget about it. it's a stunt on both ends. [laughs] no chance the committee does it, and that's what i would do with you asked. first of all, they had zero witnesses that they have...

Relevant. it's relevant for steve's case and for whatever reason, maybe steve wants to come forward, maybe he wants to talk about what he saw, what he knew, and wants to come forward and testify. i don't really know why he's coming forward now. we know he has an impending trial on his contempt hearing that could have something to do with it as well. and maybe he's going to come to some agreement with the justice department. it's still early. we have to see what the reasoning is behind it. >> we have to wait and see. the privilege claim, he wasn't in the white house, but certainly plenty to pla...

Committee hearings or really from doj is whether and to what extent there were links, connections between those extremist groups and people in or around the trump white house, trump campaign, trump's advisers. that i believe is going to be one of the topics of focus at the tuesday hearing. that's something we just don't know. if there is a clear link there, that would be a game changer. we've not seen evidence that there is a clear decisive link just yet. >> they haven't drawn it yet. there's another thing we're learning, it popped yesterday on friday. the former president is considering wavin...