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Gardner and joannie erntz it's not going to sustain them. i think they're trapped. the process argument has fallen apart as you say, and they don't have a good substantive argument. the president's defense is i did it and it doesn't matter, i don't care, everything i do is fine. article ii of the constitution allows me to do whatever the heck i want. so i don't know how senators in particular who i think have a higher level of probity are going to deal with this. essentially we have a confession. we're now going to have to exonerate them? that's what the senate is contemplating even with the q...

Job of convincing republican voters that the process has not been fair. but they realize as this moves to a more public hearing that they're going to run out of steam on process. what they're doing is what i believe i heard this morning talking about how there was no quid pro quo and making the argument that because the money flowed or because there was actually no investigation into joe biden, that there's nothing to see here. and i think that's where you're going to start seeing members go as this moves into the more public phase. >> you've been taking with many of your colleagues, republica...

Opportunity first to make the case in private instead of in the glare of the television. so i think that this is the way almost all investigations have taken place. and the republicans are making a process argument for one simple reason, they know they can't defend the facts. i mean, the facts are so simple. the president pressured zelensky to investigate his political rival and withheld military aid. >> barbara mcquade, we now know through the course of testimony there were lawyers involved. "the washington post" is reporting on john eisenberg and his request to alexander vindman not to talk ...

Investigations. and what's really, to me, damning is the fact that over 40 republicans get to participate in the scif, like i do. over 40 of them get to participate in this. so i think that the vote last week was to remove the process argument. and really focus on the truth. we should be able to present the truth in a way that the american people can understand it, and i think that i hope that the american people will understand that this is about abuse of power. you know, my district, the alabama seventh congressional districts, people fought and died for the right to vote. to me, this is rea...

Level of impeachment. and if he used abuse of power, does it matter how much the level is? isn't the abuse of power in and of itself something that is impeachable? adrienne? >> yeah, i mean, rev, this is what they're left w right? they try to focus on the process argument and that failed, and so now they're basically hanging on to the last bread crumb they can get their hands on. which is, oh, in the end, ukraine got the money, they got the funding that they needed, so it doesn't matter what conversations or what sort of intimidation quid pro quo happened in the meantime. what matters is they ...