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Not done to give equal rights to the minority and so on, is that enough, though, to defend the president? ultimately, they're going to come forward with articles of impeachment that claim a a, b, c. >> right. absolutely it's not enough. but it's essential not to move off of the process argument too quickly. people inside washington think that we've talked about this for a week or two so therefore it's over. the points particularly that kim made that the president's not allowed to be present in the process through his attorney, as was done for richard nixon and bill clinton, that the point that...

President george w. bush. i want to get to this ad in a bit. first, how does the partisan nature of the house vote for an inquiry affect the politics of impeachment and the ability the to persuade the country? >> well, look, one of the three big considerations that i think voters are going to have when they ultimately judge members of the house and senate for voting on this was do they believe the process was bipartisan in nature. that was the critical nature in the nixon impeachment and because it was missing in in the clinton impeachment it was important there as well. at the end of the day,...

Least give us their opinion. to be afraid of saying what they think or to run literally from the press or their own constituents, this is not a sustainable strategy. and from the poll numbers from people like cory gardener and it's not going to sustain them. i think they're trapped. the process argument has fallen apart as you say, and they don't have a good substantive argument. the president's defense is i did it and it doesn't matter, i don't care, everything i do is fine. article ii of the constitution allows me to do whatever the heck i want. so i don't know how senators in particular who...

And put them together for public hearings? >> yes, i think a lot of the depositions will eventually be released, but not everyone is going to have to testify publicly. and they are going to have the opportunity first to make the case in private instead of in the glare of the television. so i think that this is the way almost all investigations have taken place. and the republicans are making a process argument for one simple reason, they know they can't defend the facts. i mean, the facts are so simple. the president pressured zelanesky to investigate his political rival and withheld military ...

The press or their own constituents, this is not a sustainable strategy. and from the poll numbers from people like cory gardener and it's not going to sustain them. i think they're trapped. the process argument has fallen apart as you say, and they don't have a good substantive argument. the president's defense is i did it and it doesn't matter, i don't care, everything i do is fine. article ii of the constitution allows me to do whatever the heck i want. so i don't know how senators in particular who i think have a higher level of probity are going to do with this. essentially we have a conf...